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		<title>By: Western Sizzlin&#8217; &#171; Compounding Machines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Western Sizzlin&#8217; &#171; Compounding Machines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dissecting Western Sizzlin&#8217; Corporation : Circle of Competence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dissecting Western Sizzlin&#8217; Corporation : Circle of Competence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] year, George took a shot at Valuing Western Sizzlin&#8217;.   Then, a bit later on, George goes on to explain the reality of Western Sizzlin&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should check your numbers. The cash flow from the restaurants in 2007 was small. Most of the income was from gain on sale of Friendly&#039;s stock. You cannot expect this to repeat on a regular basis. Biglari himself, in various filings, says to expect lumpy returns. Using a DCF analysis for this business is not really appropriate. He&#039;s structuring a financial company and valuations should be based on book value .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should check your numbers. The cash flow from the restaurants in 2007 was small. Most of the income was from gain on sale of Friendly&#8217;s stock. You cannot expect this to repeat on a regular basis. Biglari himself, in various filings, says to expect lumpy returns. Using a DCF analysis for this business is not really appropriate. He&#8217;s structuring a financial company and valuations should be based on book value .</p>
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		<title>By: This Just In: Western Sizzlin to Trade on NASDAQ - Fat Pitch Financials</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Just In: Western Sizzlin to Trade on NASDAQ - Fat Pitch Financials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to announce the listing of its stock on the Nasdaq sometime this spring ever since I discussed my rationale for investing in Western Sizzlin. This announcement comes sooner than I expected. This is the special situation event I&#8217;ve [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to announce the listing of its stock on the Nasdaq sometime this spring ever since I discussed my rationale for investing in Western Sizzlin. This announcement comes sooner than I expected. This is the special situation event I&#8217;ve [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FutureBlind Digest for December &#124; FutureBlind</title>
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		<dc:creator>FutureBlind Digest for December &#124; FutureBlind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Valuing Western Sizzlin / George of Fat Pitch Financials goes over a detailed valuation of Western Sizzlin (WSZL). He concludes that buyers of WSZL are getting the investing skills of Sardar Biglari (a great value-oriented fund manager) for a very cheap price. I would also add to George&#8217;s analysis that WSZL also has a new fund management business, that although hard to quantify now, should be very lucrative in the future. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Valuing Western Sizzlin / George of Fat Pitch Financials goes over a detailed valuation of Western Sizzlin (WSZL). He concludes that buyers of WSZL are getting the investing skills of Sardar Biglari (a great value-oriented fund manager) for a very cheap price. I would also add to George&#8217;s analysis that WSZL also has a new fund management business, that although hard to quantify now, should be very lucrative in the future. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 67th Festival of Stocks - Fat Pitch Financials</title>
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		<dc:creator>67th Festival of Stocks - Fat Pitch Financials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Valuing Western Sizzlin posted at Fat Pitch Financials. Western Sizzlin is no mere restaurant franchise. This company is run by Sardar Biglari who is transforming the business into an efficient capital allocation machine. I take apart the company&#8217;s financials and estimate that its intrinsic value is about $28 per share. Read how I do it. Stocks: WSZL, ITEX, SNS [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Valuing Western Sizzlin posted at Fat Pitch Financials. Western Sizzlin is no mere restaurant franchise. This company is run by Sardar Biglari who is transforming the business into an efficient capital allocation machine. I take apart the company&#8217;s financials and estimate that its intrinsic value is about $28 per share. Read how I do it. Stocks: WSZL, ITEX, SNS [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon wrote: &quot;did you place your good-til-canceled limit order at the bid, ask, most recent price or somewhere in between?&quot;

I put my order in for what I thought got me close to a 50% discount on intrinsic value. The order was in for several days before it was executed. I anticipated that WSZL would dip in price shortly after the end of the rights offering, since that what I observed happen last time Western Sizzlin conducted a rights offering.

Thanks everyone for all the feedback on my valuation. I learned a lot from your points.  Be sure to remind me in a year to see how close my growth forecasts came to reality. I know I was rather aggressive in my estimates, but I&#039;m comfortable sticking with them for a bit longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon wrote: &#8220;did you place your good-til-canceled limit order at the bid, ask, most recent price or somewhere in between?&#8221;</p>
<p>I put my order in for what I thought got me close to a 50% discount on intrinsic value. The order was in for several days before it was executed. I anticipated that WSZL would dip in price shortly after the end of the rights offering, since that what I observed happen last time Western Sizzlin conducted a rights offering.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone for all the feedback on my valuation. I learned a lot from your points.  Be sure to remind me in a year to see how close my growth forecasts came to reality. I know I was rather aggressive in my estimates, but I&#8217;m comfortable sticking with them for a bit longer.</p>
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		<title>By: YES, ITEX (U.S.A Largest Barter Co.) Is In Play! &#124; BarterNewsBlog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>YES, ITEX (U.S.A Largest Barter Co.) Is In Play! &#124; BarterNewsBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in acquiring ITEX reinforces the astuteness of their management. To read the complete story see: ,STORY  If you don’t have time to read the complete story, here is the “meat” in the story regarding [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon-
Just wanted to agree with you and say that I think you&#039;ve made an excellent argument.  I&#039;ve figured out, by perception really, that your multiple approach there is how Mohnish Pabrai really does DCF analysis, rather than the whole complex spreadsheet approach.  I choose simplicity in my analyses, and the &quot;multiple&quot; approach to DCF is very appropriate IMO.  

Good job, and I agree that George&#039;s valuation is a bit aggressive.  You might want to calculate a downside scenario just to see what it looks like George.  In any case, WSZL isn&#039;t expensive, just maybe not quite as cheap as you thought originally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon-<br />
Just wanted to agree with you and say that I think you&#8217;ve made an excellent argument.  I&#8217;ve figured out, by perception really, that your multiple approach there is how Mohnish Pabrai really does DCF analysis, rather than the whole complex spreadsheet approach.  I choose simplicity in my analyses, and the &#8220;multiple&#8221; approach to DCF is very appropriate IMO.  </p>
<p>Good job, and I agree that George&#8217;s valuation is a bit aggressive.  You might want to calculate a downside scenario just to see what it looks like George.  In any case, WSZL isn&#8217;t expensive, just maybe not quite as cheap as you thought originally.</p>
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		<title>By: Top Value Investing News for the Week of Dec.9-15 &#124; La Contra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top Value Investing News for the Week of Dec.9-15 &#124; La Contra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, thanks for the reply.  If I may follow up:  did you place your good-til-canceled limit order at the bid, ask, most recent price or somewhere in between?

Also, regarding valuation, I due respectfully agree with the poster who said you were a tad aggressive.  I don&#039;t know what his reasoning was, but I think you apply to high a multiple to the operating segment&#039;s free cash flow.  By starting with a 10% discount rate and subtracting the assumed 5% growth rate, you end up using a 20 multiple.  Historically, the S&amp;P&#039;s multiple to trailing earnings is more like 15 (the range is like 14-17) and the historic growth rate, if memory serves me correctly, is ~6%.

Plus, even though WSZL grew free cash flow recently, some of that was by cutting CAPEX (I don&#039;t think they can really cut much more) and they have been losing franchisees.

In any event, if we assumed 6% growth, then I think a 15 multiple is fair (and, yes, I realize that I&#039;m ignoring interest rate adjustments); if we assume zero growth, then I think something like an 8 multiple is warranted; assuming growth somewhere in between gives us a range of 8-15.  If we could pay 8X or less, it&#039;s a steal; if we pay 15X or more, it starts to get pricey.

And, as a matter of fact, if we back out the excess cash, than we&#039;re paying a multiple of 11-12 trailing free cash flow.  If we assume that&#039;s a fair price, then Biglari&#039;s capital allocation acumen is our &quot;free option.&quot;

In other words, at the current stock price, our downside protection is the operating business; our upside is capital allocation business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, thanks for the reply.  If I may follow up:  did you place your good-til-canceled limit order at the bid, ask, most recent price or somewhere in between?</p>
<p>Also, regarding valuation, I due respectfully agree with the poster who said you were a tad aggressive.  I don&#8217;t know what his reasoning was, but I think you apply to high a multiple to the operating segment&#8217;s free cash flow.  By starting with a 10% discount rate and subtracting the assumed 5% growth rate, you end up using a 20 multiple.  Historically, the S&amp;P&#8217;s multiple to trailing earnings is more like 15 (the range is like 14-17) and the historic growth rate, if memory serves me correctly, is ~6%.</p>
<p>Plus, even though WSZL grew free cash flow recently, some of that was by cutting CAPEX (I don&#8217;t think they can really cut much more) and they have been losing franchisees.</p>
<p>In any event, if we assumed 6% growth, then I think a 15 multiple is fair (and, yes, I realize that I&#8217;m ignoring interest rate adjustments); if we assume zero growth, then I think something like an 8 multiple is warranted; assuming growth somewhere in between gives us a range of 8-15.  If we could pay 8X or less, it&#8217;s a steal; if we pay 15X or more, it starts to get pricey.</p>
<p>And, as a matter of fact, if we back out the excess cash, than we&#8217;re paying a multiple of 11-12 trailing free cash flow.  If we assume that&#8217;s a fair price, then Biglari&#8217;s capital allocation acumen is our &#8220;free option.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, at the current stock price, our downside protection is the operating business; our upside is capital allocation business.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - I used a 10% discount rate since it is my default discount rate.  I was thinking of bumping it up to 12% in this case since WSZL trades on the OTC BB and has low liquidity, but given the news they are applying for the Nasdaq I decided to stick to 10%.

Jon - I suggest you use a limit order for sure and &quot;good til canceled&quot; will probably save you from having to enter an order every day.

Jason - I did not consider the reinvestment of cash from the operating businesses.  Thanks for sharing your estimate of this value with me. Did you also think the 5% growth in FCF from the restaurant franchise business to be too aggressive?

Thanks for the feedback everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; I used a 10% discount rate since it is my default discount rate.  I was thinking of bumping it up to 12% in this case since WSZL trades on the OTC BB and has low liquidity, but given the news they are applying for the Nasdaq I decided to stick to 10%.</p>
<p>Jon &#8211; I suggest you use a limit order for sure and &#8220;good til canceled&#8221; will probably save you from having to enter an order every day.</p>
<p>Jason &#8211; I did not consider the reinvestment of cash from the operating businesses.  Thanks for sharing your estimate of this value with me. Did you also think the 5% growth in FCF from the restaurant franchise business to be too aggressive?</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done. I commend you for taking a crack at an estimate of intrinsic value. Did you consider the additional value created from the reinvestment of cash earned in each period? I calculate this to be a value of $3 per share under your assumptions (which I respectfully feel are too aggressive).
Keep up the great work you&#039;ve done with this site!!

JSK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done. I commend you for taking a crack at an estimate of intrinsic value. Did you consider the additional value created from the reinvestment of cash earned in each period? I calculate this to be a value of $3 per share under your assumptions (which I respectfully feel are too aggressive).<br />
Keep up the great work you&#8217;ve done with this site!!</p>
<p>JSK.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

Great analysis.  What&#039;s your suggested order execution method for this stock (i.e., did you put in a &quot;good til canceled&quot; at the most recent price, bid, ask -- somewhere in between -- etc)?  I am not asking for advice, of course, but I tried to purchase some shares late today with a limit order and didn&#039;t get filled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>Great analysis.  What&#8217;s your suggested order execution method for this stock (i.e., did you put in a &#8220;good til canceled&#8221; at the most recent price, bid, ask &#8212; somewhere in between &#8212; etc)?  I am not asking for advice, of course, but I tried to purchase some shares late today with a limit order and didn&#8217;t get filled.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey George,

Good analysis, I think that the &quot;2-part&quot; analysis is correct for this business, as it is for any company that is investing in its core assets(in this case restaurants) and differently in marketable securities or businesses.  It is difficult to come up with a precise estimate for an investment vehicle like WSZL.  Your math seems sound, just a quick question: any reason for the 10% discount rate in particular?  Curious as to how you chose it.
-Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey George,</p>
<p>Good analysis, I think that the &#8220;2-part&#8221; analysis is correct for this business, as it is for any company that is investing in its core assets(in this case restaurants) and differently in marketable securities or businesses.  It is difficult to come up with a precise estimate for an investment vehicle like WSZL.  Your math seems sound, just a quick question: any reason for the 10% discount rate in particular?  Curious as to how you chose it.<br />
-Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: E. Gunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Western investments seems a good deal for WSZL. First there is the annuity stream that WSZL earns from the deal. Also if you read the offer document detail you only get the 30% of loss protection if you agree to a 5 year lock up. The 2 year lock up gives no protection. So 30%/5 years = 6% per year. Subtract from that the annual fees and it is a fairly cheap source of capital even if things go wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Western investments seems a good deal for WSZL. First there is the annuity stream that WSZL earns from the deal. Also if you read the offer document detail you only get the 30% of loss protection if you agree to a 5 year lock up. The 2 year lock up gives no protection. So 30%/5 years = 6% per year. Subtract from that the annual fees and it is a fairly cheap source of capital even if things go wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it you mean the newly formed Western Investments, limited partnership that operates as a private investment fund. I believe all its assets are consolidated under marketable securities and included in the $19,929,305 in investments I used above. 

The one thing I don&#039;t like is that outside partners to this fund are shielded from the first 30% of losses. I guess that is the advantage that investors in The Lion Fund (and other outside investors) might be potentially getting from this arrangement. I&#039;m dissapointed that Biglari is putting shareholders more at risk in order to &quot;attract&quot; these investors. At least I don&#039;t have to pay management fees as a WSZL shareholder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it you mean the newly formed Western Investments, limited partnership that operates as a private investment fund. I believe all its assets are consolidated under marketable securities and included in the $19,929,305 in investments I used above. </p>
<p>The one thing I don&#8217;t like is that outside partners to this fund are shielded from the first 30% of losses. I guess that is the advantage that investors in The Lion Fund (and other outside investors) might be potentially getting from this arrangement. I&#8217;m dissapointed that Biglari is putting shareholders more at risk in order to &#8220;attract&#8221; these investors. At least I don&#8217;t have to pay management fees as a WSZL shareholder.</p>
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		<title>By: John Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the asset management business?</description>
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