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		<title>By: Tender Offer Walkthrough, United Rentals</title>
		<link>http://www.fatpitchfinancials.com/599/a-tale-of-two-tender-offers/comment-page-1/#comment-302384</link>
		<dc:creator>Tender Offer Walkthrough, United Rentals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been a while since I&#8217;ve shared with you the details of a stock tender offer. Stock tender offers with an odd lot provision are particularly attractive for individual investors [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Festival of Stocks #42 - Fat Pitch Financials</title>
		<link>http://www.fatpitchfinancials.com/599/a-tale-of-two-tender-offers/comment-page-1/#comment-124830</link>
		<dc:creator>Festival of Stocks #42 - Fat Pitch Financials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Financials presents A Tale of Two Tender Offers.  Both Tribune Co. and Navigant Consulting conducted tender offers recently. However, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

You&#039;re right, I don&#039;t pay any fees to tender.  I use Fidelity and am a gold-level customer.  I do a lot of trading.  I&#039;ve been participating in tender offers since the summer of 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I don&#8217;t pay any fees to tender.  I use Fidelity and am a gold-level customer.  I do a lot of trading.  I&#8217;ve been participating in tender offers since the summer of 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Arbitrage Corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arbitrage Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On dutch auction, you can always ask the broker to tender the shares at any price: If you are taking advantage of an odd-lot clause, that would be the wisest thing to do, making you avoid having a stock you never wanted to hold in the first place. Just my 2c
Good luck
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On dutch auction, you can always ask the broker to tender the shares at any price: If you are taking advantage of an odd-lot clause, that would be the wisest thing to do, making you avoid having a stock you never wanted to hold in the first place. Just my 2c<br />
Good luck<br />
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  I agree that it is probably best in the future to avoid adding any price conditions when I tender shares.

Chuck, I&#039;m impressed by your experience with tender offers.  I&#039;m not exactly sure how many tender offers I&#039;ve been involved in but it is no where near 71.  I&#039;m glad to hear that you&#039;ve only lost money 9 times, which is about 13% of the time.  I have been mentally factoring in about a 90% success probability for tender offers, so I guess I&#039;m not too far off from reality.

Chuck, I&#039;m guessing that you don&#039;t pay any fees for tendering your shares.  What broker are you using?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  I agree that it is probably best in the future to avoid adding any price conditions when I tender shares.</p>
<p>Chuck, I&#8217;m impressed by your experience with tender offers.  I&#8217;m not exactly sure how many tender offers I&#8217;ve been involved in but it is no where near 71.  I&#8217;m glad to hear that you&#8217;ve only lost money 9 times, which is about 13% of the time.  I have been mentally factoring in about a 90% success probability for tender offers, so I guess I&#8217;m not too far off from reality.</p>
<p>Chuck, I&#8217;m guessing that you don&#8217;t pay any fees for tendering your shares.  What broker are you using?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too lost money on Navigant.  It happens sometime.

I&#039;ve been investing in these for about the past three years, and have participated in a total of 71.  Of these, I lost money in 9 of them, even when the shares were accepted for tender.  On the Dutch Auction offers, I suggest that you wait as long as possible to buy, that way you&#039;ve got less risk of a large price decline and you maximize your annualized return.  Also, I usually tender my shares at the minimum price so that they will definitely be accepted.  Often the post-offer market price is less than the price at which the shares were accepted.  Overall, my returns on this arbitrage have been 3.3% over an average of 15 days, for an annualized return of 117%.  

My annualized returns on tender offers have been over twice as high as on going private transactions, with a shorter completion time and less risk.  The downside to the tenders is that each transaction ususally has a smaller maximum than the going privates, but the going privates seem to have dried up.  

I like tender offers even though they are not risk free.  Small (odd-lot) investors have an advantage over institutional investors in this arena.  At the margin, the institutional investors drive the stock price.  They face two distinct types of risk: the purchase price and the proration amount.  The pre-tender stock price reflects both these risks.  Odd lot shareholders, since we sometimes are not subject to proration,  only face one of these two risks: the purchase price.  Therefore, we are being compensated for a proration risk that we do not face.  We can earn higher returns than the institutions and bear less risk.  Effectively, we are beating the market.

I think that these, the going privates, and microcaps are nice niches where there is an advantage to being small.  Otherwise, most of my portfolio is in index funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too lost money on Navigant.  It happens sometime.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been investing in these for about the past three years, and have participated in a total of 71.  Of these, I lost money in 9 of them, even when the shares were accepted for tender.  On the Dutch Auction offers, I suggest that you wait as long as possible to buy, that way you&#8217;ve got less risk of a large price decline and you maximize your annualized return.  Also, I usually tender my shares at the minimum price so that they will definitely be accepted.  Often the post-offer market price is less than the price at which the shares were accepted.  Overall, my returns on this arbitrage have been 3.3% over an average of 15 days, for an annualized return of 117%.  </p>
<p>My annualized returns on tender offers have been over twice as high as on going private transactions, with a shorter completion time and less risk.  The downside to the tenders is that each transaction ususally has a smaller maximum than the going privates, but the going privates seem to have dried up.  </p>
<p>I like tender offers even though they are not risk free.  Small (odd-lot) investors have an advantage over institutional investors in this arena.  At the margin, the institutional investors drive the stock price.  They face two distinct types of risk: the purchase price and the proration amount.  The pre-tender stock price reflects both these risks.  Odd lot shareholders, since we sometimes are not subject to proration,  only face one of these two risks: the purchase price.  Therefore, we are being compensated for a proration risk that we do not face.  We can earn higher returns than the institutions and bear less risk.  Effectively, we are beating the market.</p>
<p>I think that these, the going privates, and microcaps are nice niches where there is an advantage to being small.  Otherwise, most of my portfolio is in index funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure my comment is worth, even $0.02 as I have very little experience with tenders AND you were the one that introduced odd-lot tenders to me.  That said, I see dutch auction tenders in two ways.
  
1.  They typically fall in the &quot;too hard&quot; category if the lower end of the offer range would cause me to lose money.  (annualized losses work the same way as gains) 

2.  Since everyone receives the same price on most of these tenders I don&#039;t specify a price that I&#039;m willing to tender at.  Our votes (odd-lot types) won&#039;t materially effect the acceptance price.  This increases my chances of being tendered and limits exposure to Mr. Market.

Your thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure my comment is worth, even $0.02 as I have very little experience with tenders AND you were the one that introduced odd-lot tenders to me.  That said, I see dutch auction tenders in two ways.</p>
<p>1.  They typically fall in the &#8220;too hard&#8221; category if the lower end of the offer range would cause me to lose money.  (annualized losses work the same way as gains) </p>
<p>2.  Since everyone receives the same price on most of these tenders I don&#8217;t specify a price that I&#8217;m willing to tender at.  Our votes (odd-lot types) won&#8217;t materially effect the acceptance price.  This increases my chances of being tendered and limits exposure to Mr. Market.</p>
<p>Your thoughts?</p>
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