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		<title>By: Special Situations Real Money Portfolio February 2008 Update - Fat Pitch Financials</title>
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		<dc:creator>Special Situations Real Money Portfolio February 2008 Update - Fat Pitch Financials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] month, so I decided to add to my position. I still believe this spinoff is worth at least more than $10 per share. Hopefully, the market will eventually start to agree with me in the near [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sally Beauty Holdings Featured in Barron&#8217;s Roundtable - Fat Pitch Financials</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally Beauty Holdings Featured in Barron&#8217;s Roundtable - Fat Pitch Financials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One thing I learned from this article was that CEO Gary Winterhalter has been discussing opening two to three hundred stores in Mexico and a major expansion in Canada.  Schafer sees the company earning 40 to 42 cents a share in 2007 and then climbing to 55 to 60 cents a share in 2008.  With accelerating international expansion, Schafer see the stock climbing to $12 next year.  I hadn&#8217;t really factored in the international expansion when I analyzed this stock, but it makes good sense to me that this would be an excellent direction for this company.  This further enhances my confidence in my initial estimate of $10 for Sally Beauty Holdings intrinsic value. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One thing I learned from this article was that CEO Gary Winterhalter has been discussing opening two to three hundred stores in Mexico and a major expansion in Canada.  Schafer sees the company earning 40 to 42 cents a share in 2007 and then climbing to 55 to 60 cents a share in 2008.  With accelerating international expansion, Schafer see the stock climbing to $12 next year.  I hadn&#8217;t really factored in the international expansion when I analyzed this stock, but it makes good sense to me that this would be an excellent direction for this company.  This further enhances my confidence in my initial estimate of $10 for Sally Beauty Holdings intrinsic value. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bit off topic.  What are your thoughts on ACV?  I believe ACV is in a better position to market its products after the spin off (e.g., a good catalyst).  ACV seems to be a good value, good moat (high end products, strong brand recognition), and management is making good moves.  Managements return of the investor&#039;s $ via the $25 divident is a good sign.  Management resists the &quot;institutional imperative&quot; (as Buffett might say).  I also read that they are selling the corporate jet (another good sign that they are careful with shareholders&#039; money).  They are also cutting their work force by 2%.  According to S&amp;P (which only views ACV as a &quot;hold&quot;), they expect ACV to announce in late January a regular quaterly divident.  This is another catalyst.   A regular divident should bring in a bunch of new investors.

I started looking at ACV after reading your blog.  I don&#039;t own it -- still researching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit off topic.  What are your thoughts on ACV?  I believe ACV is in a better position to market its products after the spin off (e.g., a good catalyst).  ACV seems to be a good value, good moat (high end products, strong brand recognition), and management is making good moves.  Managements return of the investor&#8217;s $ via the $25 divident is a good sign.  Management resists the &#8220;institutional imperative&#8221; (as Buffett might say).  I also read that they are selling the corporate jet (another good sign that they are careful with shareholders&#8217; money).  They are also cutting their work force by 2%.  According to S&amp;P (which only views ACV as a &#8220;hold&#8221;), they expect ACV to announce in late January a regular quaterly divident.  This is another catalyst.   A regular divident should bring in a bunch of new investors.</p>
<p>I started looking at ACV after reading your blog.  I don&#8217;t own it &#8212; still researching.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Rensvold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Rensvold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How will the loss of  the distribution  rights to L&#039;oreal  products affect Sally Beauty Holdings</description>
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		<title>By: Bilbo Baggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilbo Baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not been paying attention to this as much as I should have as I have been very sick the past week.  Correct me if I&#039;m wrong but wasn&#039;t the 1.8 billion in debt used to pay the $25/share dividend? If this is the case I don&#039;t see how the debt is doing anything for shareholders of SBH who purchased SBH after the split.

Bilbo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not been paying attention to this as much as I should have as I have been very sick the past week.  Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but wasn&#8217;t the 1.8 billion in debt used to pay the $25/share dividend? If this is the case I don&#8217;t see how the debt is doing anything for shareholders of SBH who purchased SBH after the split.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should be sceptical of my $10 intrinsic valuation since it was literally calculated on a napkin (or maybe a sticky note) while I was at work.  I&#039;m an amateur investor, so you should assume I don&#039;t know what I&#039;m doing.  I encourage you to challenge my own estimate by posting your own calculation of intrinsic value here in the comments section.

Sally Beauty hit $10 during the day today.  I guess I&#039;m not the only one that thinks this stock is worth $10.  Now I have to determine if it is time to sell, or if Sally Beauty could be worth even more than $10.  I was somewhat confident of my $10 estimate, but I&#039;m not so sure I can be confident with a higher valuation without at least seeing at least one more quarters worth of data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should be sceptical of my $10 intrinsic valuation since it was literally calculated on a napkin (or maybe a sticky note) while I was at work.  I&#8217;m an amateur investor, so you should assume I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m doing.  I encourage you to challenge my own estimate by posting your own calculation of intrinsic value here in the comments section.</p>
<p>Sally Beauty hit $10 during the day today.  I guess I&#8217;m not the only one that thinks this stock is worth $10.  Now I have to determine if it is time to sell, or if Sally Beauty could be worth even more than $10.  I was somewhat confident of my $10 estimate, but I&#8217;m not so sure I can be confident with a higher valuation without at least seeing at least one more quarters worth of data.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob - 

I think the stock has gone up because even if investors liked both ACV and SBH pre-spinoff, it wasn&#039;t in their best interest to buy before the dividend. Consider that most mutual funds (in my opinion) wouldn&#039;t want that $25 dividend. Furthermore, some international investors (think Bermuda, Cayman, etc) don&#039;t pay capital gains taxes, but pay a 30% withholding tax. So they probably waited until after the dividend. I dont think this is the only reason SBH jumped early on.

It&#039;s a good company, simply put. It has many more opportunities now that it is spunoff. That&#039;s the reason it jumped. I&#039;m skeptical of the $10 valuation. Seems a little arbitrary. But I do like the company as I discussed at http://www.thinkintrinsic.com/companies/s/SBH

Jordan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob &#8211; </p>
<p>I think the stock has gone up because even if investors liked both ACV and SBH pre-spinoff, it wasn&#8217;t in their best interest to buy before the dividend. Consider that most mutual funds (in my opinion) wouldn&#8217;t want that $25 dividend. Furthermore, some international investors (think Bermuda, Cayman, etc) don&#8217;t pay capital gains taxes, but pay a 30% withholding tax. So they probably waited until after the dividend. I dont think this is the only reason SBH jumped early on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good company, simply put. It has many more opportunities now that it is spunoff. That&#8217;s the reason it jumped. I&#8217;m skeptical of the $10 valuation. Seems a little arbitrary. But I do like the company as I discussed at <a href="http://www.thinkintrinsic.com/companies/s/SBH" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkintrinsic.com/companies/s/SBH</a></p>
<p>Jordan</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You talk about a price of $10 based on your calculations.  Where are your calculations?  I mean, I see absolutely no numbers relating earnings, sales, anything to the market cap of the stock.   I hate to disparage but your analysis is based completely on subjective numbers.  Do you really know what you are doing here?

Also, debt is good if the price paid for it is reasonable.   I think a big reason for Greenblatt&#039;s postive stand on debt was that it increased the selling pressure from the big institutions.  This stock has done nothing but go up since spun off so I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s the case here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You talk about a price of $10 based on your calculations.  Where are your calculations?  I mean, I see absolutely no numbers relating earnings, sales, anything to the market cap of the stock.   I hate to disparage but your analysis is based completely on subjective numbers.  Do you really know what you are doing here?</p>
<p>Also, debt is good if the price paid for it is reasonable.   I think a big reason for Greenblatt&#8217;s postive stand on debt was that it increased the selling pressure from the big institutions.  This stock has done nothing but go up since spun off so I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s the case here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Guys,
I am glad to see another individual investor who found SBH as attractive as I have. I&#039;ve been watching this one for some time now. 

One point to add to your analysis is that this spinoff is essentially a LEVERAGED BUYOUT in which YOU can invest. A private equity firm (CD&amp;R) owns 47.5% of Sally Beauty and has representation on the Board.

I have written an analysis of this attractive spinoff over at my site, http://www.thinkintrinsic.com. I&#039;ve also linked to your report because I think everyone can benefit from.

So, here&#039;s the link to the (free) Sally Beauty Holdings report at TI: 
http://www.thinkintrinsic.com/companies/?title=sbh_initial_report</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Guys,<br />
I am glad to see another individual investor who found SBH as attractive as I have. I&#8217;ve been watching this one for some time now. </p>
<p>One point to add to your analysis is that this spinoff is essentially a LEVERAGED BUYOUT in which YOU can invest. A private equity firm (CD&amp;R) owns 47.5% of Sally Beauty and has representation on the Board.</p>
<p>I have written an analysis of this attractive spinoff over at my site, <a href="http://www.thinkintrinsic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkintrinsic.com</a>. I&#8217;ve also linked to your report because I think everyone can benefit from.</p>
<p>So, here&#8217;s the link to the (free) Sally Beauty Holdings report at TI:<br />
<a href="http://www.thinkintrinsic.com/companies/?title=sbh_initial_report" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkintrinsic.com/.....ial_report</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great response George!

I failed to take into account the brand new independence of this business, and was thinking in terms of established businesses.

Also, this is the same situation as with WU. When they were spun-off, they were laden with about $3bil in debt if I recall as well. 

Thanks for the follow-up, sir. Have a great holiday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great response George!</p>
<p>I failed to take into account the brand new independence of this business, and was thinking in terms of established businesses.</p>
<p>Also, this is the same situation as with WU. When they were spun-off, they were laden with about $3bil in debt if I recall as well. </p>
<p>Thanks for the follow-up, sir. Have a great holiday!</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason,

I don&#039;t normally view leverage as a bonus.  It increases risk and diverts earners away from shareholders.  However, Joel Greenblatt makes some good arguements why leverage (low cost leverage) is a good thing for new spinoffs.  

If you look at a spinoff as an IPO with a lot of new growth potential, the owners of the company equally enjoy the future growth in earnings.  With a highly leveraged spinoff, debt holders only earn their fixed interest rate and the all the rest of the earnings get funneled into the equity holders.  

Let&#039;s look at an example of a $1 billion company where debt covers 80 percent of the enterprise value of a company and stock makes up the remaining 20 percent.  If the company grows by 20 percent in value as a result of the spinoff restructuring, then the company is now worth $1.2 billion. 

Debt holders are paid 10% for their capital, which is $80 million, that leaves $120 million  for shareholders.  $120 million divided by the original $200 million that shareholders invested give a 60 percent return!

I&#039;m a bit tired right now, so I might have goofed up this explanation.  The concept basically comes down to that if you are confident something is going to grow in value, investing in it with leverage will compound your returns.  That&#039;s how real estate investors make so much money off of relatively slow appreciating real estate assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t normally view leverage as a bonus.  It increases risk and diverts earners away from shareholders.  However, Joel Greenblatt makes some good arguements why leverage (low cost leverage) is a good thing for new spinoffs.  </p>
<p>If you look at a spinoff as an IPO with a lot of new growth potential, the owners of the company equally enjoy the future growth in earnings.  With a highly leveraged spinoff, debt holders only earn their fixed interest rate and the all the rest of the earnings get funneled into the equity holders.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at an example of a $1 billion company where debt covers 80 percent of the enterprise value of a company and stock makes up the remaining 20 percent.  If the company grows by 20 percent in value as a result of the spinoff restructuring, then the company is now worth $1.2 billion. </p>
<p>Debt holders are paid 10% for their capital, which is $80 million, that leaves $120 million  for shareholders.  $120 million divided by the original $200 million that shareholders invested give a 60 percent return!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit tired right now, so I might have goofed up this explanation.  The concept basically comes down to that if you are confident something is going to grow in value, investing in it with leverage will compound your returns.  That&#8217;s how real estate investors make so much money off of relatively slow appreciating real estate assets.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

Interesting analysis. I&#039;m curious as to why you view leverage/loads of debt as a bonus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>Interesting analysis. I&#8217;m curious as to why you view leverage/loads of debt as a bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: Value Investing News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Value Investing News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sally is a Beauty of a Spinoff...&lt;/strong&gt;

Five reasons why Sally Beauty Holdings is a fat pitch of a spinoff opportunity.  Joel Greenblatt would be proud of this one.
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<p>Five reasons why Sally Beauty Holdings is a fat pitch of a spinoff opportunity.  Joel Greenblatt would be proud of this one.<br />
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